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 07-06-2003, 23:40 Post: 59004
DeTwang



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I bought my first home protection firearm when some drugged up idiot (high on breathing acetone) broke a window in my place and and was so high he didn't even respond to my screaming at him. Fortunately he wasted a lot of time playing with the broken glass (guess he thought it was interesting in the moon light), and then trying to pry the bars off the windows with my pickaxe (I lived in a pretty rough neighborhood at the time), and the cops showed up and he split before he could get in. The next day I bought a mossberg 12ga with pistol grip (now illegal in CA).

Sometime later, I was approached by my next door neighbor to give her rides into the heart of south central Los Angeles (school teacher) at 4:30 in the morning (I ususally left for work about 4:45 am anyways) as she was afraid to take the bus (can't imagine why). I was into backpacking at the time, so I bought a little S&W airweight 38 special to keep under the seat of the car. It's an aluminum alloy J frame and very hard to hit anything with.

So during the LA riots my brother and I went out and bought identical Ruger GP100 .357 revolvers. We also noticed that some neighborhoods were keeping safe by setting up road blocks and snipers on the rooftops with rifles, and those were largely neighborhoods that went completely untouched in the trouble zones. A lot of merchants downtown were banding together and employing similar tactics to defend their businesses. So I bought a mini 14 (I always wanted one, and now had a good excuse for it).

Between these weapons I have a decent arsenal for home protection, but all in all nothing comes close to a good dog IMO. They're like intelligent burglar alarms and can hear and smell intruders long before I ever could. If they don't actually scare an intruder off from the get go, they'll give you enough advance warning that a firearm might actually be of use.

The sad truth is that by the time an intruder is already in the home (especially in the room), it's probably too late for a firearm, and the advantage is already his, especially if he is packing.

I'd start with a good dog, as well as other deterrents (lighting, secure doors and windows, alarms, etc.) and then shop for guns.

Like someone else said, the gun you buy for protection is just as likely to be used on you. I think the best idea is to remove as much advantage regarding time and surprise from the badguy, and move it over to your side of the equation through common sense.

However, there's something to be said about the sound of a pump shotgun chambering a round on a quiet night that'll cause any boogey man to think twice about continuing with his plans.

I just pray that I'll never have to face such a situation again. It's far better to have a gun and not need one, than the other way around.






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 07-08-2003, 08:56 Post: 59121
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Since we're on the subject of self defense I'm wondering what you gun gurus know about ammo designed for same.

For both my .357 and my 38 special, I keep these rounds in them that have bullets with teflon tips that are filled with shot. They're not the mini shotgun type but rather they're supposed to remain in bullet form and then disintegrate once hitting an object.

Supposedly they're pretty lethal against flesh but won't travel through walls, etc. to hit innocent bystanders. Once they strike an object the energy is supposed to be quickly dissipated.

Supposedly they were advertised as being designed for police for use in areas such as mobile home parks, apartment buildings, etc..

They were quite expensive and the theory sounds good to me, but unfortunately, there's no way to know how well they live up to hype until it's too late.

I keep them in the airweight 38, and in a speed loader next to the .357 in it's lock box.

What do you guys know about these rounds?






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 07-08-2003, 09:27 Post: 59128
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""DeTwang, the rounds you are referring to are called "Glacier Safety Slugs".""

Yes that's the name. It's been so long since I bought them, I forgot what they're called.

""I'm sure everyone has there own opinion about them and I'll throw mine in there. I don't like them. They do not have the penetration that a conventional round has and you will need to put a big 250 lb. or larger man down.""

Maybe I should keep them in the airweight (not real accurate) and reconsider for the .357. I keep triple ought buck in the shotgun and I know that'll stop mongo himself (and his horse) in his tracks.

""I like the Winchester Black Talon. I stocked up on them when they were still on the market and there are many similar bullets on the market currently. ""

I've seen them before. What's the deal with the black talon?

I also have hollow points and slugs for the .357






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